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Only someone like Dugin can allow us to appreciate what Marx means by 'material relations of production' outside of the horizon of the western logos of idealism and of philosophy itself. What Marx means by 'relations to production' is the ''real'' relations of production - humanity in its actual reality, which for Marx, towards the end of his life means the Russian 'Mir' the Russian 'commune', inherited from the past. It is not that we contrived this philosophically but that's our reality. It just in the same way the proletariat is initially for Marx the industrial proletariat of England then it's the Russian peasant of the 'Mir commune' who becomes for Marx a revolutionary subject, somehow. Relations to production which does not operate under the standard of the western logos. This dialectical materialism is already beyond the western logos, it's a return to mother Chaos.
Only someone like Dugin can allow us to appreciate what Marx means by 'material relations of production' outside of the horizon of the western logos of idealism and of philosophy itself. What Marx means by 'relations to production' is the ''real'' relations of production - humanity in its actual reality, which for Marx, towards the end of his life means the Russian 'Mir' the Russian 'commune', inherited from the past. It is not that we contrived this philosophically but that's our reality. It just in the same way the proletariat is initially for Marx the industrial proletariat of England then it's the Russian peasant of the 'Mir commune' who becomes for Marx a revolutionary subject, somehow. Relations to production which does not operate under the standard of the western logos. This dialectical materialism is already beyond the western logos, it's a return to mother Chaos.


However, mother Chaos is not enough, it is undialectical.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/sysTJu0ECOo?si=6rVUEOvETnLWzrdU]</ref>
However, Jordan Peterson's "mother Chaos" is not enough, it is undialectical.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/live/sysTJu0ECOo?si=6rVUEOvETnLWzrdU]</ref> He proposes chaos as an eternal force with no beginning or end, ignoring how it arises in the contradiction of reality with the reality-transcending Order.


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Chaos is a world which is inclusive, it carries itself all the possibilities within itself, including the possibility of exclusion (a feature of Logos). Chaos sees itself as that which contains the Logos i.e. the Logos located within Chaos and can always be within it.

Dugin makes the analogy that the Logos can be seen as a fish swimming in the waters of Chaos. Without this water, thrown onto the surface, the fish chokes and this is how the structures of Logos gets "croaked".[1]

Haz interprets the Chaos as 'material reality'. A philosophy of Chaos which operates under the principle of inclusion and not logocentric exclusion, which means it will begin with the a-priori assumption that this human reality is meaningful in the way in which it is embedded in its own mother chaos - its own motherland.

Only someone like Dugin can allow us to appreciate what Marx means by 'material relations of production' outside of the horizon of the western logos of idealism and of philosophy itself. What Marx means by 'relations to production' is the real relations of production - humanity in its actual reality, which for Marx, towards the end of his life means the Russian 'Mir' the Russian 'commune', inherited from the past. It is not that we contrived this philosophically but that's our reality. It just in the same way the proletariat is initially for Marx the industrial proletariat of England then it's the Russian peasant of the 'Mir commune' who becomes for Marx a revolutionary subject, somehow. Relations to production which does not operate under the standard of the western logos. This dialectical materialism is already beyond the western logos, it's a return to mother Chaos.

However, Jordan Peterson's "mother Chaos" is not enough, it is undialectical.[2] He proposes chaos as an eternal force with no beginning or end, ignoring how it arises in the contradiction of reality with the reality-transcending Order.

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