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===== Claim (21:50): the Bolsheviks forced the Tsar to abdicate =====

'''Claim''': Schiff, Warburg, and other bankers, decided that the russian state would be destroyed, and a communist regime would be implemented. '''Truth:''' They supported Kerensky and the februari revolution, because of the Tsars pogroms, but never supported the bolsheviks. '''Claim:''' The romanovs represented everything good about a traditional family. '''Truth:''' Tsarist Russia had legalized, pedophilic prostitution. The royal balls were filled with affairs and degeneracy. '''Claim:''' Kerensky was given a million dollars from the wall street banker Jacob Schiff '''(True)''' to free all political prisoners and permit them to return to Russia '''(False)'''. '''Claim:''' Secret jewish postcards were sold of the tsar being depicted as a chicken, signifying a traditional jewish sacrifice. '''Truth:''' A reverse image search on google reveals that it is in fact a real historical postcard, ca 1917.<ref>https://web.nli.org.il/sites/nli/hebrew/digitallibrary/pages/viewer.aspx?presentorid=EDU_XML_ENG&docid=EDU_XML_ENG700345307</ref> The added commentary is unfalsifiable speculation. '''Claim:''' The civil war was "the christian whites" versus the "jewish reds" '''Truth:''' Jewish capitalist, like all capitalists, funded the white army.

===== On the nature of Jacob Schiffs relationship to the Russian revolutions: =====

Schiff's gripe against Russia had been its anti-Semitism. At home Schiff had never shown any sympathy for socialism, not even the milder Morris Hillquit variety. Schiff had declared victory for his purposes in Russia after the tsar was toppled in March 1917 and Alexander Kerensky, representing the new provisional government, had declared Jews to be equal citizens. In addition to repeated public statements of support, he used both his personal wealth and the resources of Kuhn Loeb to float large loans to Kerensky's regime. When Lenin and Trotsky seized power for themselves in November 1917, Schiff immediately rejected them, cut off further loans, started funding anti-Bolshevist groups, and even demanded that the Bolsheviks pay back some of the money he'd loaned Kerensky. Schiff also joined a British-backed effort to appeal to fellow Jews in Russia to continue the fight against Germany."

* Ackerman, Kenneth (2016). Trotsky in New York, 1917: A Radical on the Eve of Revolution.

Jacob Schiff once donated $100 000 to a set up a war relief hospital in Russia,<ref>https://archive.org/details/menwhoaremaking00forbgoog/page/n425/mode/2up</ref> before the October revolution had occured, which has falsely been claimed<ref>https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=allen&book=none&story=bankroll#:~:text=later%20married%20Trotsky.%22-,Schiff,-spent%20millions%20to<nowiki/>The claim:

"Schiff spent millions to overthrow the Czar and more millions to overthrow Kerensky. He was sending money to Russia long after the true character of the Bolsheviks was known to the world. Schiff raised $10 million, supposedly for Jewish war relief in Russia, but later events revealed it to be a good business investment. (Forbes , B.C., ''Men Who Are Making America'', pp. 334-5.)"</ref> to have been a donation of $10 million to the bolsheviks.

===== The White Terrorists and anti-semitism =====

During the Denikin regime, the press regularly urged violence against Jews. A proclamation by one of Denikin's generals incited people to "arm themselves" to extirpate "the evil force which lives in the hearts of Jew-communists." In the small town of Fastov alone, Denikin's Volunteer Army murdered over 1,500 Jews, mostly the elderly, women, and children. An estimated 100,000 to 200,000 Jews in Ukraine and southern Russia were killed in pogroms perpetrated by Denikin's forces and Symon Petliura's Ukrainian nationalists [1]. Hundreds of thousands of Jews were left homeless and tens of thousands became victims of serious illness [1]. In 1918-1919, over 1,200 pogroms took place in Ukraine, over a third of them attributed to the Ukrainian nationalists [2], while half by the White army [3]. Sources: [1] Pipes, Richard (1994). Russia Under the Bolshevik Regime [1st edition]. pp. 111-112 [2] Gitelman, Z.Y. (2001) [1988]. A Century of Ambivalence: The Jews of Russia and the Soviet Union. Indiana University Press. pp. 65 [3] Budnitskii, Oleg (2012). Russian Jews Between the Reds and the Whites, 1917-1920. University of Pennsylvania Press. pp. 216–273.

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 ===== Claim (21:50): the Bolsheviks forced the Tsar to abdicate =====
 '''Claim''': Schiff, Warburg, and other bankers, decided that the russian state would be destroyed, and a communist regime would be implemented. '''Truth:''' They supported Kerensky and the februari revolution, because of the Tsars pogroms, but never supported the bolsheviks. '''Claim:''' The romanovs represented everything good about a traditional family. '''Truth:''' Tsarist Russia had legalized, pedophilic prostitution. The royal balls were filled with affairs and degeneracy. '''Claim:''' Kerensky was given a million dollars from the wall street banker Jacob Schiff '''(True)''' to free all political prisoners and permit them to return to Russia '''(False)'''. '''Claim:''' Secret jewish postcards were sold of the tsar being depicted as a chicken, signifying a traditional jewish sacrifice. '''Truth:''' A reverse image search on google reveals that it is in fact a real historical postcard, ca 1917.<ref>https://web.nli.org.il/sites/nli/hebrew/digitallibrary/pages/viewer.aspx?presentorid=EDU_XML_ENG&docid=EDU_XML_ENG700345307</ref> The added commentary is unfalsifiable speculation. '''Claim:''' The civil war was "the christian whites" versus the "jewish reds" '''Truth:''' Jewish capitalist, like all capitalists, funded the white army.
+===== On the nature of Jacob Schiffs relationship to the Russian revolutions: =====
+Schiff's gripe against Russia had been its anti-Semitism. At home Schiff had never shown any sympathy for socialism, not even the milder Morris Hillquit variety. Schiff had declared victory for his purposes in Russia after the tsar was toppled in March 1917 and Alexander Kerensky, representing the new provisional government, had declared Jews to be equal citizens. In addition to repeated public statements of support, he used both his personal wealth and the resources of Kuhn Loeb to float large loans to Kerensky's regime. When Lenin and Trotsky seized power for themselves in November 1917, Schiff immediately rejected them, cut off further loans, started funding anti-Bolshevist groups, and even demanded that the Bolsheviks pay back some of the money he'd loaned Kerensky. Schiff also joined a British-backed effort to appeal to fellow Jews in Russia to continue the fight against Germany."
+* Ackerman, Kenneth (2016). Trotsky in New York, 1917: A Radical on the Eve of Revolution.
+Jacob Schiff once donated $100 000 to a set up a war relief hospital in Russia,<ref>https://archive.org/details/menwhoaremaking00forbgoog/page/n425/mode/2up</ref> before the October revolution had occured, which has falsely been claimed<ref>https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=allen&book=none&story=bankroll#:~:text=later%20married%20Trotsky.%22-,Schiff,-spent%20millions%20to<nowiki/>The claim:
+"Schiff spent millions to overthrow the Czar and more millions to overthrow Kerensky. He was sending money to Russia long after the true character of the Bolsheviks was known to the world. Schiff raised $10 million, supposedly for Jewish war relief in Russia, but later events revealed it to be a good business investment. (Forbes , B.C., ''Men Who Are Making America'', pp. 334-5.)"</ref> to have been a donation of $10 million to the bolsheviks.
+===== The White Terrorists and anti-semitism =====
+During the Denikin regime, the press regularly urged violence against Jews. A proclamation by one of Denikin's generals incited people to "arm themselves" to extirpate "the evil force which lives in the hearts of Jew-communists." In the small town of Fastov alone, Denikin's Volunteer Army murdered over 1,500 Jews, mostly the elderly, women, and children. An estimated 100,000 to 200,000 Jews in Ukraine and southern Russia were killed in pogroms perpetrated by Denikin's forces and Symon Petliura's Ukrainian nationalists [1].  Hundreds of thousands of Jews were left homeless and tens of thousands became victims of serious illness [1].  In 1918-1919, over 1,200 pogroms took place in Ukraine, over a third of them attributed to the Ukrainian nationalists [2], while half by the White army [3]. Sources: [1] Pipes, Richard (1994). Russia Under the Bolshevik Regime [1st edition]. pp. 111-112 [2] Gitelman, Z.Y. (2001) [1988]. A Century of Ambivalence: The Jews of Russia and the Soviet Union. Indiana University Press. pp. 65 [3] Budnitskii, Oleg (2012). Russian Jews Between the Reds and the Whites, 1917-1920. University of Pennsylvania Press. pp. 216–273.