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	=== US Civil War===		=== US Civil War===
	Ottomans supported the Union: "You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did."<ref>[https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]</ref>		Ottomans supported the Union: "You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did."<ref>[https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]</ref>

			==History==

			=====Ottoman Empire=====
			The Ottoman Empire was founded by Osman I in 1299. He was the son of Ertugrul Gazi, who assisted the Rum Seljuks in their fight against the Byzantine empire. Some of the Turks who fled Mongol invasion settled in Anatolia and embraced Islam. Osman united the Turkic Anatolians into the Ottoman confederation, which had conquered much of modern-day Greece and Turkey and encroached upon Constantinople by the latter half of the 14th century. Between 1326 and 1453, the Ottomans besieged Constantinople once, fought against Timur and the Mongols, attempted (and failed) to destroy Constantinople a second time, and finally, via mobilization through Greece and Albania, cut off Constantinople from its allies. On May 29th, 1453, "The Conqueror" Mehmed II's forces breached the walls of Byzantium, destroying the Byzantine empire. The city would eventually become Istanbul, capital of the Ottoman empire.

			During the 16th century (until the mid-17th century), the Ottomans and Safavids warred over both religion and land in Mesopotamia. The Ottomans were staunchly Sunni and the Safavids staunchly Shia. After a handful of wars spanning 1514 to 1639, the Treaty of Zuhab was signed. This treaty was notable for its agreement on the modern borders of Turkey and Iran, on the one hand, and Iran and Iraq on the other. Later treaties between the Ottoman and Persian empires make extensive reference to the Treaty of Zuhab.

			Between 1633 and 1634, the Ottomans were at war with the Poles (supported by Lithuania) as well in modern Ukraine. Ultimately the war ended in stalemate in 1634. The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth controlled the territory for three centuries, and their battles utilizing the Cossacks against the Ottoman Turks and Tatars eventually led to the overthrow of Polish rule in the region.

			What later turned into a bureaucratic disaster was at first a model empire, combining strong leadership with efficient administration. One could argue the Ottoman empire, like the Mongols', was a civilization state-- under it were 30 million Turkic, Persian, Levantine, Caucasian, Egyptian, and southeastern European peoples previously under the yoke of Byzantines and other imperialist nations. Also similar to the Mongols, the state was adaptive to the needs and wants of its multiethnic, multicultural population, treating all as equals under its religious and administrative systems throughout its vast territory. It could also thus be described as a modern universal state of sorts.<ref>https://www.britannica.com/place/Egypt/The-Mamluk-and-Ottoman-periods-1250-1800</ref>

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	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[~~Communism is Islam~~]]		* [[Mongol Modernity]]
	* [[Qing Dynasty]]		* [[Qing Dynasty]]
	* [[Palestine]]		* [[Palestine]]
			* [[Communism is Islam]]

	== References ==		== References ==

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	'''The ~~Ottomans~~''' — carrier of Islamic political order, ~~and source~~ of a ~~political concept Haz keeps recommending~~.		'''The Ottoman Empire''' was a carrier of Islamic political order, known for the [[Circle of Justice]] (a dialectical theory of state and society).

	== The ~~Circle of Justice~~ ==		==From the streams==
	~~From~~ the [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/007a6ff2-3861-4c00-af25-e5aff3e9d04c/ COMMUNISM WINNING \| INFRAWOKE stream]~~, debating base~~/~~superstructure:~~		=== The gunpowder empires ===
			After Tamerlane reconciled dynastic Turco-Mongol tradition with "the eternal religious truth," "Islam only then took the form of these massive gunpowder empires — combining the dynastic Turco-Mongol tradition with Persianate imperial bureaucracy plus the religion of Islam." The Ottoman/[[Safavid]]/[[Mughal]] system was Islam's mature political form; British colonialism destroyed it and "Islam was condemned to languish, picked up only by the [[Wahhabis]] who completely distorted it into some kind of [[Talmudic]] false version based on textualism and formalism, with no content and no stakes in the actual material world."<ref>[https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/007a6ff2-3861-4c00-af25-e5aff3e9d04c/ COMMUNISM WINNING \| INFRAWOKE stream]</ref>

	> "There's this idea you should look up — a Persianate idea the Ottomans were known for being associated with, but everyone else was too. It's called the '''Circle of Justice'''. You can think about the Circle of Justice in materialist terms if you understand the relation of state to civil society and how they dialectically interact."		=== US Civil War===
			Ottomans supported the Union: "You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did."<ref>[https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]</ref>
	The Circle (no army without wealth, no wealth without taxation, no taxation without the peasant's prosperity, no prosperity without justice and good rule) as an '''indigenous dialectical theory of state-society reciprocity''' — centuries before Hegel.

	== ~~The gunpowder empires~~ ==
	~~Same stream~~: ~~after Tamerlane reconciled dynastic Turco-Mongol tradition with~~ "the eternal religious truth," "Islam only then took the form of these massive gunpowder empires — combining the dynastic Turco-Mongol tradition with Persianate imperial bureaucracy plus the religion of Islam." The Ottoman/Safavid/Mughal system was Islam's mature political form; British colonialism destroyed it and "Islam was condemned to languish, picked up only by the Wahhabis who completely distorted it into some kind of Talmudic false version based on textualism and formalism, with no content and no stakes in the actual material world."

	~~== Also ==~~
	~~Ottoman support for the Union in the Civil War (~~[https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]~~: "You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did.").~~

	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[Communism is Islam]]		* [[Communism is Islam]]
	* [[Qing Dynasty]]		* [[Qing Dynasty]]
			* [[Palestine]]

	== References ==		== References ==
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	~~The~~ '''~~Ottoman Empire'~~'' ~~appears in Haz Al-Din~~'~~s streams in two registers: as the historical~~ carrier of Islamic political order, and ~~as a~~ source of political ~~concepts~~.		'''The Ottomans''' — carrier of Islamic political order, and source of a political concept Haz keeps recommending.

	== The Circle of Justice ==		== The Circle of Justice ==
	From the [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/007a6ff2-3861-4c00-af25-e5aff3e9d04c/ INFRAWOKE stream], debating base/superstructure:		From the [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/007a6ff2-3861-4c00-af25-e5aff3e9d04c/ COMMUNISM WINNING \| INFRAWOKE stream], debating base/superstructure:

	> "There's this idea you should look up — ~~it's~~ a Persianate idea the Ottomans were known for being associated with, but everyone else was too. It's called the '''Circle of Justice'''. You can think about the Circle of Justice in materialist terms if you understand the relation of state to civil society and how they dialectically interact."		> "There's this idea you should look up — a Persianate idea the Ottomans were known for being associated with, but everyone else was too. It's called the '''Circle of Justice'''. You can think about the Circle of Justice in materialist terms if you understand the relation of state to civil society and how they dialectically interact."

	The Circle ~~of Justice~~ (no army without wealth, no wealth without taxation, no taxation without the peasant's prosperity, no prosperity without justice and good rule) ~~is cited~~ as an '''indigenous dialectical theory of state-society reciprocity''' — centuries before Hegel.		The Circle (no army without wealth, no wealth without taxation, no taxation without the peasant's prosperity, no prosperity without justice and good rule) as an '''indigenous dialectical theory of state-society reciprocity''' — centuries before Hegel.

	== The gunpowder empires ==		== The gunpowder empires ==
	Same stream~~, on Islam's political history~~: after Tamerlane reconciled dynastic Turco-Mongol tradition with "the eternal religious truth," "Islam only then took the form of these massive gunpowder empires — combining the dynastic Turco-Mongol tradition with Persianate imperial bureaucracy plus the religion of Islam." The Ottoman/Safavid/Mughal system was Islam's mature political form; ~~its destruction by~~ British colonialism "condemned ~~Islam~~ to languish, picked up only by the Wahhabis who completely distorted it into some kind of Talmudic false version based on textualism and formalism, with no content and no stakes in the actual material world."		Same stream: after Tamerlane reconciled dynastic Turco-Mongol tradition with "the eternal religious truth," "Islam only then took the form of these massive gunpowder empires — combining the dynastic Turco-Mongol tradition with Persianate imperial bureaucracy plus the religion of Islam." The Ottoman/Safavid/Mughal system was Islam's mature political form; British colonialism destroyed it and "Islam was condemned to languish, picked up only by the Wahhabis who completely distorted it into some kind of Talmudic false version based on textualism and formalism, with no content and no stakes in the actual material world."

	== Also ~~noted~~ ==		== Also ==
	~~The Ottomans'~~ support for the Union in the ~~American~~ Civil War ~~("You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did.") appears in Haz's anti-confederate reading of American history~~ ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]).		Ottoman support for the Union in the Civil War ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]: "You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did.").

	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[Communism is Islam]]		* [[Communism is Islam]]
	* [[Sharia]]
	* [[Qing Dynasty]]		* [[Qing Dynasty]]

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	The '''Ottoman Empire''' ~~(1299–1922) was~~ the Islamic ~~world-state spanning three continents for six centuries —~~ and~~, in Infrared discourse,~~ a ~~key exhibit in rethinking what economic organization outside Western capitalism looks like~~.		The '''Ottoman Empire''' appears in Haz Al-Din's streams in two registers: as the historical carrier of Islamic political order, and as a source of political concepts.

	== ~~Features relevant to the discussion~~ ==		== The Circle of Justice ==
	* '''Timar system''': ~~land held in exchange for military service, not alienable private property — a feudal~~-~~military tenure blocking landlord accumulation~~.		From the [https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/007a6ff2-3861-4c00-af25-e5aff3e9d04c/ INFRAWOKE stream], debating base/superstructure:
	* State control of strategic production: gunpowder, munitions, key manufactures as imperial monopolies; price regulation (''narh'') in Istanbul's markets.
	* The '''devshirme''' and the kul order: a slave-~~administrative elite serving the Sultan — the state standing above society's property classes.~~
	* Millet system: confessional self-~~governance of Christians and Jews under Islamic sovereignty — pluralism of a non~~-~~liberal type.~~
	* Decline through the 18th-~~19th centuries~~: ~~capitulations to European trade, debt administration (1881), finally dissolution through WWI and the nationalist revolution of Atatürk.~~

	== ~~Infrared usage~~ ==		> "There's this idea you should look up — it's a Persianate idea the Ottomans were known for being associated with, but everyone else was too. It's called the '''Circle of Justice'''. You can think about the Circle of Justice in materialist terms if you understand the relation of state to civil society and how they dialectically interact."
	~~Like the Qing~~, ~~the Ottomans appear in Haz~~'s ~~"actual socialism" provocations~~: ~~an economy subordinated to political~~-~~social ends~~, ~~usury legally constrained, markets governed~~ — ~~demonstrating that~~ the ~~capitalist market's primacy is historically exceptional, not universal~~. The ~~deeper point connects to [[Communism is~~ Islam~~]]: Islamic civilization possessed~~ its ~~own ordered political economy~~, ~~destroyed~~ by ~~colonial penetration~~, ~~whose recovery is part of~~ the anti-~~imperialist project~~ (~~see~~ [~~[Sharia]], [[Tawhid]], [[Qing Dynasty]~~]).
			The Circle of Justice (no army without wealth, no wealth without taxation, no taxation without the peasant's prosperity, no prosperity without justice and good rule) is cited as an '''indigenous dialectical theory of state-society reciprocity''' — centuries before Hegel.

			== The gunpowder empires ==
			Same stream, on Islam's political history: after Tamerlane reconciled dynastic Turco-Mongol tradition with "the eternal religious truth," "Islam only then took the form of these massive gunpowder empires — combining the dynastic Turco-Mongol tradition with Persianate imperial bureaucracy plus the religion of Islam." The Ottoman/Safavid/Mughal system was Islam's mature political form; its destruction by British colonialism "condemned Islam to languish, picked up only by the Wahhabis who completely distorted it into some kind of Talmudic false version based on textualism and formalism, with no content and no stakes in the actual material world."

			== Also noted ==
			The Ottomans' support for the Union in the American Civil War ("You know who supported the Union? Russia did. The Ottoman Empire did.") appears in Haz's anti-confederate reading of American history ([https://infrared-transcripts.pages.dev/en/kick/infrared/0f7c08ea-3a3f-4a62-bfa0-69d5531d0cc6/ TRUE RED PILL NEWS stream]).

	== See also ==		== See also ==
	* [[Communism is Islam]]		* [[Communism is Islam]]
			* [[Sharia]]
	* [[Qing Dynasty]]		* [[Qing Dynasty]]

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The '''Ottoman Empire''' (1299–1922) was the Islamic world-state spanning three continents for six centuries — and, in Infrared discourse, a key exhibit in rethinking what economic organization outside Western capitalism looks like.

== Features relevant to the discussion ==
* '''Timar system''': land held in exchange for military service, not alienable private property — a feudal-military tenure blocking landlord accumulation.
* State control of strategic production: gunpowder, munitions, key manufactures as imperial monopolies; price regulation (''narh'') in Istanbul's markets.
* The '''devshirme''' and the kul order: a slave-administrative elite serving the Sultan — the state standing above society's property classes.
* Millet system: confessional self-governance of Christians and Jews under Islamic sovereignty — pluralism of a non-liberal type.
* Decline through the 18th-19th centuries: capitulations to European trade, debt administration (1881), finally dissolution through WWI and the nationalist revolution of Atatürk.

== Infrared usage ==
Like the Qing, the Ottomans appear in Haz's "actual socialism" provocations: an economy subordinated to political-social ends, usury legally constrained, markets governed — demonstrating that the capitalist market's primacy is historically exceptional, not universal. The deeper point connects to [[Communism is Islam]]: Islamic civilization possessed its own ordered political economy, destroyed by colonial penetration, whose recovery is part of the anti-imperialist project (see [[Sharia]], [[Tawhid]], [[Qing Dynasty]]).

== See also ==
* [[Communism is Islam]]
* [[Qing Dynasty]]

== References ==
<references/>

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